{"id":4225,"date":"2012-02-09T09:00:33","date_gmt":"2012-02-09T09:00:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/?p=4225"},"modified":"2022-10-24T10:54:22","modified_gmt":"2022-10-24T15:54:22","slug":"kinetic-thermodynamic-products-can-openers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/2012\/02\/09\/kinetic-thermodynamic-products-can-openers\/","title":{"rendered":"Thermodynamic and Kinetic Products"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Thermodynamic vs Kinetic Products In Purchasing Decisions (And Addition To Dienes)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A post about getting what you pay for, and how that translates to &#8220;kinetic control&#8221; and &#8220;thermodynamic control&#8221; in the addition of HCl to butadiene.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Table of Contents<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"#one\">An Analogy: Spending More For Quality Tools, vs. Buying Cheap Crappy Tools That Break And Constantly Need To Be Replaced<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#two\">Kinetic Versus Thermodynamic Control In Addition Of Acid To Dienes<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#three\">The Reaction Coordinate Diagram For 1,2- and 1,4- Addition Of HCl To Butadiene<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#notes\">Notes<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<hr \/>\n<h2><a id=\"one\"><\/a>1. An Analogy: Spending More For Quality Tools, vs. Buying Cheap Crappy Tools That Break And Constantly Need To Be Replaced<\/h2>\n<p>First, an explanation. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theifp.ca\/news-story\/5366018-doctor-remembered-as-dedicated-professional\/\">My dad died<\/a>. So things at MOC have basically\u00a0 been on hold for a few weeks. Life is now returning to normal.<\/p>\n<p>The following discussion has nothing to do with the above, other than the fact that my dad&#8217;s best friend wryly observed of him: &#8220;When he opened his wallet, moths flew out&#8221;. I suppose I share this trait with regard to a lot of things. \u00a0But I do not scrimp on can openers. This is why.<\/p>\n<p>About 10 years ago when I was living in Montreal I was very poor, and outfitted my kitchen with items available from the dollar store. Including a can opener I paid exactly $1.14 for (in Canada, they hit you hard with sales tax).<\/p>\n<p>After taking this small financial hit, life was somewhat better. I could now eat canned Ravioli.\u00a0However this state of affairs did not last long.<\/p>\n<p>Within the next week my $1.14 can opener had opened (poorly!)\u00a0 about three or four cans before flying apart while trying to pry open an 800 mL can of Bravo spaghetti sauce. So I was back to where I started: with no working can opener.<\/p>\n<p>This time around I decided I wasn&#8217;t going to screw around, so I went to the local Canadian Tire and pulled out $6.99 .\u00a0 It was more painful to do this, but the can opener I received was of superior quality. And it did not fail me in the subsequent years that passed (although it did get a tad rusty).<\/p>\n<p>So if we compare these two situations we get this:<\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15610\" src=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/1-silly-analogy-for-thermodynamic-and-kinetic-control-involves-buying-crappy-versus-good-can-opener-and-energy-barriers.gif\" alt=\"silly analogy for thermodynamic and kinetic control involves buying crappy versus good can opener and energy barriers\" width=\"630\" height=\"334\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Now what does this have to do with chemistry?<\/p>\n<h2><a id=\"two\"><\/a>2. Kinetic vs Thermodynamic Products In Addition Of Acid To Dienes<\/h2>\n<p>Well, it resembles a situation that occurs in the addition of strong acids (like hydrochloric acid, HCl) to certain dienes such as butadiene. Two products are possible: the 1,2-product and the 1,4-product.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15611\" src=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/2-butadiene-plus-hcl-giving-resonance-stabilized-carbocation-and-two-transition-states-giving-12-addition-and-14-addition-respectively.gif\" alt=\"butadiene plus hcl giving resonance stabilized carbocation and two transition states giving 12 addition and 14 addition respectively\" width=\"630\" height=\"386\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Three notes:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u00a0With butadiene, the addition of HCl leads to a resonance-stabilized carbocation. Note that the resonance form on the top bears the positive charge on the <strong>more substituted carbon<\/strong>, and will therefore have a higher contribution to the hybrid than the resonance form on the bottom, where the positive charge is borne by a primary carbon.<\/li>\n<li>In the attack of Cl<sup>\u2013<\/sup> to the resonance stabilized carbocation, there are two possible sites of attack. In the transition state for attack at the carbon labelled C-2 [top] \u00a0note that there is a partial double bond between C-3 and C-4, and that the positive charge is localized on C-2. In the transition state for attack at the carbon labelled C-4 [bottom] note that the partial double bond is between C-2 and C-3 and that positive charge is localized on C-4.\u00a0<strong>The top transition state will be lower in energy because in it, positive charge is localized on the most substituted carbon.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Now look at the final products. The product of the top transition state [1,2 addition] has a mono substituted alkene (one carbon substituent) while the bottom transition state [1,4 addition] leads to a disubstituted alkene. Since <strong>alkene stability increases with the number of carbon substituents<\/strong>, the\u00a0<strong>bottom product will be more thermodynamically stable.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In short, the kinetic product (1,2 in this case) is easier to form, but the thermodynamic product (1,4) is more stable.<\/p>\n<h2><strong><a id=\"three\"><\/a>3. The Reaction Coordinate Diagram For 1,2- and 1,4- Addition Of HCl To Butadiene<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>The reaction coordinate diagram looks like this.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15612\" src=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/3-energy-diagram-for-kinetic-versus-thermodynamic-control-of-hcl-addition-to-butadiene-at-various-temperatures-depending-on-conditions-either-12-or-14-product-will-be-favored.gif\" alt=\"energy diagram for kinetic versus thermodynamic control of hcl addition to butadiene at various temperatures depending on conditions either 12 or 14 product will be favored\" width=\"630\" height=\"527\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Each reaction begins with diene A, and then progresses through a transition state (B) to form resonance stabilized carbocation C. \u00a0, which undergo attack through transition states D to give final products E.<\/p>\n<p>The height of each step in the process is related to its overall energy.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>When temperature is low, there is enough energy to form the 1,2-product \u2013 \u00a0and that&#8217;s it. The product ratio is determined by the reaction rate (i.e. the height of the transition state D). Such a reaction is said to be under <strong>kinetic control<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0When temperature is high, there is enough energy to form both the 1,2- and the 1,4-products. Furthermore, the reaction to form products is <strong>reversible<\/strong> (i.e. there is enough energy to go from E \u2192\u00a0D and thence back to C. \u00a0In this case the ratio of products is determined by the relative thermodynamic stabilities (i.e. the height of E). Such a reaction is said to be under <strong>thermodynamic control<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So it&#8217;s a little bit like buying can openers. There&#8217;s a lower barrier for buying the cheapest one,\u00a0 but the more expensive one is often the more stable product overall.<\/p>\n<p>As Benjamin Graham said,\u00a0 &#8220;Price is what you pay: value is what you get. &#8221;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2><a id=\"notes\"><\/a>Notes<\/h2>\n<div class=\"related-articles\"><p><strong>Related Articles<\/strong><\/p><ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/2017\/04\/11\/more-on-12-and-14-additions-to-dienes\/\" class=\"\"><span>More On 1,2 and 1,4 Additions To Dienes<\/span><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/2017\/03\/22\/reactions-of-dienes-12-and-14-addition\/\" class=\"\"><span>Reactions of Dienes: 1,2 and 1,4 Addition<\/span><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/2010\/11\/03\/whats-a-transition-state\/\" class=\"\"><span>What\u2019s a Transition State?<\/span><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/2013\/02\/08\/markovnikovs-rule-1\/\" class=\"\"><span>Markovnikov Addition Of HCl To Alkenes<\/span><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.masterorganicchemistry.com\/2020\/04\/30\/alkene-stability\/\" class=\"\"><span>Alkene Stability<\/span><\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #888888;\"><strong>Note 1. <\/strong>The can opener analogy doesn&#8217;t go into the &#8220;reversibility&#8221; part of things. However if you had a large population of people who had to make the identical decision, the population of people with deluxe\/crappy can openers should likewise segment according to cost and reliability as a function of available resources. Note that if the product is <strong>too<\/strong>\u00a0stable, nobody ever buys a replacement and the company goes out of business. That&#8217;s where planned obsolescence comes in.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #888888;\"><strong>Note 2. <\/strong>\u00a0Not all additions to dienes follow this pattern. It is important to be able to evaluate the relative carbocation stabilities and alkene substitution patterns independently for each given diene. Don&#8217;t automatically assume that the &#8220;1,4&#8221; product is always the most stable (try cyclopentadiene, for instance). For a good time, also try 2,5-dimethyl-2, 4 hexadiene.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #888888;\"><strong>Note 3. <\/strong>\u00a0When you buy an item from the dollar store with moving parts, <em>caveat emptor. \u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thermodynamic vs Kinetic Products In Purchasing Decisions (And Addition To Dienes) A post about getting what you pay for, and how that translates to &#8220;kinetic <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":15610,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1163],"tags":[364,365,366,370,363,361,368,362,369,367],"post_folder":[],"class_list":["post-4225","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-dienes-and-mo-theory","tag-364","tag-2-addition","tag-4-addition","tag-alkene-stability","tag-dienes","tag-kinetic-control","tag-reaction-coordinates","tag-thermodynamic-control","tag-transition-states","tag-weird-analogies"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Thermodynamic and Kinetic Products &#8211; 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