Comments on: Oxidation of Alkynes With O3 and KMnO4 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/ Tue, 08 Jul 2025 20:03:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-737118 Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:38:41 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-737118 In reply to Ryan Cohen.

That is a great question. Very simple question, but difficult to answer. Related question: ruthenium is just above Os in the periodic table, but RuO4 will oxidize alkynes to diketones whereas OsO4 does not. Why?
The best I can find is this paper, which covers alkenes (not alkynes). The gist of it is that Os is more stable at higher oxidation states (e.g. Os(VIII), Os(VI) ) relative to smaller elements such as Ru and presumably Mn.
RuO4 is more similar in many respects to KMnO4 than it is to OsO4 – will do many of the same reactions, even though they are not even in the same column of the periodic table.

I suppose the best answer I can give you is that chemistry is as yet an incomplete science, and there are some questions we are still trying to figure out the answers to.

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By: Ryan Cohen https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-736960 Thu, 24 Apr 2025 23:15:40 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-736960 why doesn’t Dihydroxylation With OsO4 work on alkynes ecen though Dihydroxylation With KMnO4 dose work on alkynes

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-685969 Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:38:36 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-685969 In reply to CHANDRU.

Alkynes are generally less electron-rich than alkenes, owing to the larger electronegativity of sp hybridized carbon atoms. Electrophilic reagents like ozone, HX and OsO4 tend to react more slowly with alkynes.

Regarding why OsO4 doesn’t work, I’m not entirely sure.

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By: CHANDRU https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-685965 Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:19:29 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-685965 can you a give an intutituve explanation regarding the failiure of dihydroxylation of alkynes via OsO4 sir?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-548749 Tue, 05 Mar 2019 22:33:12 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-548749 In reply to Jon.

Thanks for digging through the literature, Jon. Much appreciated.

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By: Jon https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-530812 Thu, 12 Apr 2018 00:14:29 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-530812 In reply to James.

For what it’s worth, I cannot find the first reaction (oxidation of diphenylacetylene to benzil with osmium tetroxide) on Reaxys. Quite a variety of oxidants have been used for this particular substrate, including KMnO4 which is perhaps more familiar to undergrads (JOC 1989 5182), but not OsO4.

The second substrate is even more dubious. There is only one report of this transformation (TL 2004 8575) using trifluoro DMDO, not OsO4, and the authors report that the 1,2-diketone was only a side product, obtained in 18% yield (the main product being that with the hydroxyls oxidised to carbonyls). I don’t know where the “OsO4/KClO3” comes from, but it’s not in the primary literature.

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By: James https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-324245 Tue, 11 Nov 2014 22:38:05 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-324245 In reply to Emily.

Alkynes CAN be cyclopropanated, it’s just that this topic almost never comes up in introductory organic chemistry.

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By: Emily https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-320922 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:31:13 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-320922 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1012733023065#page-1

this paper also show cyclopropanation of an alkyne.

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By: James https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-150482 Sun, 29 Jun 2014 03:31:31 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-150482 In reply to Dion.

That is new to me.

This didn’t appear in my copy of March, nor any other book in my collection, and I don’t have Scifinder at my fingertips anymore to really dig into the literature.

I’d need to see the primary literature to know the exact conditions for the reaction. It’s very possible to selectively dihydroxylate an alkene in the presence of an alkyne; reactions with alkynes are much slower.

Thanks for adding this.

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By: Dion https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2013/06/04/oxidation-of-alkynes/#comment-148637 Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:35:46 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=7371#comment-148637 The comment on OsO4 not working with alkynes prompted me to look it up. It is discussed here on page 10.
http://nptel.ac.in/courses/104103023/download/module1.pdf

When does it work, and when doesn’t it?

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